Ballycarrane House, Thurles

Ballycarrane House, Thurles

Sunday, 13 October 2019

Mary Bray and Biddy Bray [1795 - ], Ellen Bray [1797 - ], John Bray [1800 - ], Thurles, County Tipperary

 Mary and Biddy Bray were born and baptised  in Thurles, County Tipperary in 1795, twin daughters of Luke Bray and Anstice Cormack. Sponsors at their baptism were  Alice Bowe, Thomas Cormac and Biddy Cormac.[1]  Their sister Ellen Bray was born in 1797. Ellen’s sponsors at her baptism were John Bray and Bridget Gleeson.[2]  Their brother John was born in 1800. John’s sponsors were John and Bridget Cormac.[3]
Their parents died in 1801, Luke Bray in June. Anstice three months later in September. They are buried at Holy Cross Abbey.
Mary and Biddy would have been only six years old at the time. Their siblings Ellen and John  were even younger.
What became of them after they were orphaned?
A Mary Bray married John St. John in 1824 in the presence of John Bray and Mrs Bray. Could this be Mary, one of Luke Bray’s daughters??
An Ellen Bray married John Meghan in 1828. Was this Ellen, daughter of Luke Bray?


[1] Catholic Church Records. Thurles. Baptisms. 02489/04. P. 3. 1796. [www.nli.ie ]
[2] Catholic Church Records, Thurles. Baptism 26 December1797. Mf 02489/04. Page 10. [www.nli.ie]
[3] Catholic Church Records, Thurles. Mf. 02489/04. Baptism 2 September 1800. [www.nli.ie].

Mary Bray, Thurles, County Tipperary

 Mary Bray was the daughter of John Bray, of Thurles, County Tipperary, and his wife Mary Fogarty.
She married Denis O’Brien. They had two sons.

1. John Bray O’Brien [1805-1839]
John [Luke?], of Denis O'Brien and Mary Bray, Main Street, sponsors John Bray, Elizabeth Bray. [1]
John Bray O’Brien died by drowning in 1839.
Tipperary North Riding Summer Assizes 1839. Thurles 1st August: John Bray O'Brien J.P. of Turtulla drowned. With his two brothers and his cousin german, John Bray Esq., went boating on River Suir, very swollen after recent heavy rain, on Wednesday 31 July. At bridge of Cabra, the boat struck a concealed weir and capsized. The other three scrambled ashore but O'Brien was cast headlong into the water and drowned. He merited high esteems (sic) and affection. Considerate and indulgent as a landlord: friend and benefactor to all in neighbourhood: upright and impartial as a magistrate.

2. Francis Bray O’Brien [1806-1870]
Francis, son of Denis O'Brien and Mary Bray, sponsors Thomas Lanigan of Castle Fogarty and Margaret O'Brien wife of Ml. Ryan of Abington.[2]
Francis Bray O’Brien married his first cousin Frances Agnes Bray, known as Fanny, the daughter of Luke Bray and Ellen Ronan, in Thurles on the 24th of November 1840. They had six children.  Francis died in 1870. Fanny died in 1874.
O'Brien, Jan 12, at Ardfort House, Thurles, after a long and painful illness, Francis Agnes, relict of Francis Bray O'Brien, Esq., J.P. [3]
Both are buried in St. Mary's Graveyard, Thurles, along with other members of the Bray O'Brien family.

Denis O’Brien died on the 26th April 1812.  

His widow Mary Bray married again, to John Burke. They had three children. Mary Helena Burke [1813-1889] also found as Bourke, Emily Burke, and William Burke.
Mary Bray’s granddaughter Mary Helena Bourke married Charles Laurence Toole on the 8th of October 1839 in St. Andrew’s Church, Westland Row, Dublin. They had nine children. Their fourth son, Edmund Toole, born in 1848, was a recipient of the Victoria Cross in 1879, in recognition of his services at Ulundi, Zululand, South Africa.


[1] Catholic Church Registers, Thurles 02489/04 P. 6 1805 [www.nli.ie]
[2] Catholic Church Registers. Thurles 02489/04 P. 14. 1806 [www.nli.le]
[3] The Belfast Newsletter, Jan 16, 1874.

Monday, 7 October 2019

Edmond Bray, New Road, Thurles, County Tipperary

Edmond Bray was the son of John Bray [1755-1826] of Thurles, County Tipperary, and his wife Mary Fogarty [1756-1799].
He married Mary Purcell. They had one daughter, Mary Bray, born in 1809.
Mary, daughter of Edmond Bray and Mary Purcel, New Road, sponsors John Dwyer and Anne Fogarty.[1]
Anne Fogarty was probably a cousin of Edmond's. His mother was Mary Fogarty.


[1] Church Records, Thurles, Baptisms, 02489/05 P. 31 1809  [www.nli.ie]

Sunday, 1 September 2019

Robert Bray [abt 1759], Thurles, County Tipperary

Robert Bray was the son of Luke Bray of Galbertstown, County Tipperary  and his wife, Mary Phillips, daughter of Samuel Phillips of Foyle and Sarah Max of Gaile, County Tipperary.
His father, Luke Bray, died in 1774 when Robert and his siblings were still minors. Robert, his brothers John, Edmond, Luke, and Samuel, and his sisters, Eleanor and Mary, are mentioned in their father’s will. Robert received a bequest of £200.
James Max of Killough, County Tipperary, in his will, proved in 1775, lists the children of his cousin Mary Bray [nee Phillips].
To Mrs Mary Bray during viduity and no longer £20 yearly out of the Commons of Cashel, if interest continue so long also £0 immediately to buy mourning.
To John Bray, her eldest son, £50 at age 21. To Ellenor, Mary, Luke, and Robert Bray £10 each at such time as ex’rs think proper.
His brother Thomas Max, also of Killough, in his will dated 1777, also left Robert £20.
To cousin Mary Bray £50 and to her son John Bray £100 exclusive of devise mentioned. To Simon Bray and Edmond Bray, sons of said Mary Bray 10 guineas each at 21. To Luke Bray and Robert Bray, younger sons of Mary, £20 each, over and above legacies left them by my brother James Max, which sums I direct to be paid as apprentice fees with them, and to Ellinor Bray £20, and to Mary Bray, daughter of said Mary £30.

No further records for Robert Bray have been found.

Friday, 23 August 2019

Samuel Bray [abt 1763-] Thurles, County Tipperary.


Samuel Bray was the son of Luke Bray of Galberstown, Holy Cross, County Tipperary and his wife Mary Phillips. He was also the grandson of Samuel Phillips of Foyle and Sarah Max of Gaile, County Tipperary
His father, Luke Bray, died in 1774 when his children were still minors. Samuel, along with his brothers John, Edmond, Luke, and Robert, and his sisters, Eleanor and Mary, is mentioned in his father’s will. He received a bequest of £200.
James Max in his will proved in 1775 omits the name of Samuel when he is listing the children of his cousin Mary Bray [nee Phillips],
To Mrs Mary Bray during viduity and no longer £20 yearly out of the Commons of Cashel, if interest continue so long also £0 immediately to buy mourning.
To John Bray, her eldest son, £50 at age 21. To Ellenor, Mary, Luke, and Robert Bray £10 each at such time as ex’rs think proper.
Was this in error?
His brother Thomas Max in his will dated 1777 includes Samuel.
Mary Bray and her sons, John, Samuel, Edmund, Luke & Robert.
To cousin Mary Bray £50 and to her son John Bray £100 exclusive of devise mentioned. To Simon Bray and Edmond Bray, sons of said Mary Bray 10 guineas each at 21. To Luke Bray and Robert Bray, younger sons of Mary, £20 each, over and above legacies left them by my brother James Max, which sums I direct to be paid as apprentice fees with them, and to Ellinor Bray £20, and to Mary Bray, daughter of said Mary £30.
He then refers to Simon Bray. Is Simon in fact Samuel?
Samuel would still have been a child in 1777. There are no further records of his existence.  Is it possible he did not survive to adulthood?

Wednesday, 24 July 2019

Frances Agnes Bray [1813-1874], Ballycarrane, Thurles, County Tipperary

 Frances Agnes Bray [Fanny] was the third daughter of Luke Bray of Ballycarrane, Thurles, County Tipperary and his wife Ellen Ronayne.
Frances, of Luke Bray, farmer, and Ellen Ronan, Ballycarrane, sponsors Maurice Ronan and Mrs. J. Bray.[1]

She married Francis Bray O’Brien [1806-1870]. Francis was the son of Denis O'Brien and Mary Bray and a cousin of Frances Agnes.[2]  They were married by His Grace the Most Reverend Dr. Slattery on the 24th of November 1840. A dispensation from a bishop was required on the grounds of two 2nd degrees of separation or consanguinity.  Francis’s mother was Mary Bray, a sister of Luke Bray who was Fanny’s father. Francis’s grandmother was another Mary Bray which accounted for the second 2nd degree of separation. William Joseph Burke and Anne Ronan were present at the marriage.
Maurice Ronayne of Knockaderry in County Waterford and Robert Lidwell of Templemore in the County of Tipperary were named in the marriage settlement.[3]

Francis and Fanny had six children:

1. Denis Bray O’Brien [1841-] of Ardfort House, Thurles, County Tipperary.
BIRTHS. At Thurles, Co. Tipperary, the lady of FRANCIS O'BRIEN, Esq, of a son and heir. [4]
2. Ellen [abt.1843-1899]. She is buried in St. Mary’s Graveyard, Thurles.
Ellen Mary O'Brien died at Thurles 30th Dec 1899 aged 56 years  
3. John Bray O’Brien [1844-] of Ardfort House, married Mary Desmond Power, eldest daughter of Richard Power Esq., of Ballydavid House, Thurles, County Tipperary in 1881.
4. Mary O’Brien [1846-]. Charles Tool and Mary Bray were witnesses at her baptism.
5. William Francis Bray O’Brien [abt 1849-1927], Ardfort House, Thurles, County Tipperary, married Kathleen Lloyd in London in 1881. They had one daughter Camilla O’Brien. William and Kathleen are buried in St. Mary’s Graveyard, Thurles.
William Bray O'Brien son of Francis Bray O'Brien who died at Ardfort 8th Dec 1927 aged 78   Also his wife Kathleen (nee Lloyd) of Lisheen Castle who died at Ardfort 22nd March 1953 aged 92 years
6. Francis James O’Brien [1853-] known as Frank.


In May 1855 the lands of Gortataggart, part of Gortnaclogh and houses and premises in the town of Thurles, the estate of Francis O'Brien, were advertised for sale.[5]

Francis Bray O’Brien died on the 1st of November 1870 aged 64.
Frances, or Fanny, died on the 12thof January 1874. 
O'Brien, Jan 12, at Ardfort House, Thurles, after a long and painful illness, Francis Agnes, relict of Francis Bray O'Brien, Esq., J.P.[6]
Both are buried in St. Mary's Graveyard, Thurles. Francis Bray O'Brien died at Thurles 1st Nov 1870 aged 64 years   Fanny Bray O'Brien his wife died 12th Jan 1874  





































[1]  Catholic Church Register, Thurles, 02489/05. P. 71 1813 ? Dec [www.nli.ie].
[2]  Catholic Church Registers. Thurles 02489/04 P. 14. 1806 [www.nli.le]
[3]  Bray O’Brien Registry of Deeds 1840-23-224
[4]  The Freeman’s Journal 12th October 1841.
[5]  www.landedestates.ie
[6]  The Belfast Newsletter, Jan 16, 1874

Monday, 15 July 2019

James Bray [Abt. 1781-1825] of Thurles

 James Bray was the son of John Bray of Thurles, County Tipperary, and his wife Mary Fogarty.  He was named after his maternal grandfather James Fogarty.
He married Mary Kearney in 1810 in Thurles.
By Doctor Bray, James Bray of Thurles to Mary Kearney of Thurles, pres. John Bray his father and Mrs Kearney her mother. [1]

James Bray and his wife Mary Kearney were present at the marriage of Elizabeth Bray of Fethard to James Lalor of Mount Brilliant, Kilkenny, in 1812, in Thurles. Elizabeth Bray’s uncle The Reverend Thomas Bray conducted the ceremony and her sister Margaret was also present. Elizabeth's father James died in 1783. He had been a doctor in Falmouth. Her mother was Margaret Fullerton. Her sister Margaret never married and appears to have become a nun in the Presentation Convent, Cork. Her brother James [R.N.] died in 1813. Her other brother John Fullerton was in the East India Service. She and James Lalor had four children. Charles, Margaret and Joseph all died in infancy. Their surviving daughter Alicia Bray Lalor married O'Brien Mahony in Clonmel in 1861 and had one daughter Elizabeth Clara Mary. Elizabeth Lalor appears to have died in 1861.
The question is, why were James Bray and Mary Kearney of Thurles people of importance at the marriage? How might they have been related to Elizabeth Bray?

James Bray died in 1825 aged 44. He was buried in Holy Cross Abbey. There is an inscription on his gravestone:
Here lies the body of James Bray Esq., of the Town of Thurles who departed this life on the 1st day of March 1825 aged 44 years. In him the widow and the orphan lost a constant friend and true piety a perfect model. May he rest in Peace Amen.
Luke's second daughter Mary, niece of James, is also commemorated on the gravestone.
Also Mary second daughter of Luke and Niece of James Bray Esqr who died July 17th 1877 aged 62.[2]

Mary Kearney outlived James by 24 years. She never remarried and died in Dublin in 1849.
Died, Feb 5, at an advanced age at Middle Gardiner-street, Mary, relict of the late James Bray of Thurles, Esq.[3]
She is buried in Glasnevin Cemetery, Dublin.







[1] Catholic Church Registers Thurles 02489/05 1810 P. 153. www.nli.ie
[2]  www.findagrave.com
[3] Freeman's Journal, Wed Feb 7, 1849